Andy met RJ met in early 2010 in the IOP program of Cold Creek Behavior health in Utah and holy dog mess was there a lot to catch up on! RJ shares the first time he got clean, stayed clean, relapsed and lost everything. Then he got clean again, stayed clean for a while, relapsed and lost everything again. Finally, RJ learned the difference between recovery and abstinence. He’s now using his recovery to be of service to others and has his own treatment center in Southern California — Oak Forest Recovery. RJ‘s story is amazing and inspiring and worth hearing. Plus Andy talks about how he likes titties.